After the elections…

Knowing me as an NDA supporter, people have directed a bunch of reactions at me after the results came out yesterday.  Included mockery, ‘i told you so’, consolations, and some others as disappointed, trying to find the way forward from here.

While the election results surprised me, like anyone else (pretty much?), the political irrelevance of my work, in writing blogs or talking to people had become clear to me, just the next day of elections. I had really sit down to understand what was happening at the booths really and how things on ground were really done and decided – the real politics, the real decisions – taken by people who do it as a transaction, not so much as the ‘jagruk yuva’ of the country.

Now theorists are talking about votes having been bought, EVMs being rigged and all that, but an electoral victory is an electoral victory and one can’t take away the credit from the winners for that.

So here’s congratulating the UPA leadership for having pulled it off rather well. I admire the discipline and the unquestioned hierarchy and leadership that seems to come across, so what if I don’t approve of the leaders themselves.

Was on a UTVi show, shot yesterday, (actually to bail out the host friend, who needed some talkers) to discuss the happiness or otherwise with the UPA and the expectations with this new government. While I’d have serious doubts about their capability as well as intentions in making a real difference, like I’m being told by Rahul’s fans, lets give him a chance. Chance it is, to prove his mettle in the parliament, when he’s got unquestioned power in his hands, and this time, the left is reduced to irrelevance too, so no more excuses on that count.

So what’s now the role of the urban, educated youth now, beyond voting. Firstly, I don’t agree that people who didn’t vote don’t have the right to ask questions or to complain now. They (or their parents) have been paying taxes to the government and that gives them every right to expect certain things in return. The first among them, is transparency and accountability on where the tax revenues are being spent.

To take the role seriously would mean that we don’t wait for another five years to evaluate the report card of the current government, but make intermittent checks that keep them under pressure to perform well over the next five years and if nothing is done, prove their hollowness. Rahul did all the youth-friendly college trips and held slum kids in his hands in poll time. It remains to be seen how far the interfacing with the youth continues, now that he’s in power.

Once you mention a political affiliation, people tend to forget about your essential bigger objective, which is to contribute to the society and nation in a positive manner. I continue to stand by the BJP and against the Congress. (Yet to ascertain which feeling is stronger). Congress is in power, fair enough, but to keep tabs on it, would need a principled and powerful opposition, an unbiased media and a demanding customer base of voters who wouldn’t be satisfied till their questions are answered and demands are met.

Trying to not let their past goofups bias me, I’ll try to keep track of what this sarkaar does and be an honest critic.

I hope that they’ll have an interface for people to reach to them – beyond Milind Deora and Priya Dutt’s facebook accounts.

I hope the PMO doesn’t now issue ‘secular’ statements giving the first right to the country’s resources to a particular religious community – but looks at India as India, not a sum of vote banks.

I hope Rahul Gandhi starts a blog and has someone update it frequently enough – not to tell us about his columbian girlfriend, but his political vision and what he’s doing to take the country forward.

I hope fundamentalist leaders from any religion don’t command our central policies and Rahul doesn’t feel the need to bend to anyone’s demands this time around.

Much like Amir Khan talked about the pro-voting campaigns for ADR, I urge people to become more demanding as customers. We lose patience at the omissions of our service providers, lets be a lot more demanding of those who govern us.

Lets take protests beyond the domain of the NGOs and do our own jobs beyond candle light vigils.

Lets ‘stay awake’ , beyond a one day ‘jaago re’.

Lets organize ourselves as ‘youth’, as ‘taxpayers’, as ‘citizens’, as ‘IT professionals’, a phone/internet users, flyers, retail buyers –  and make demands, instead of the caste and religion based identities to make demands.

For those who supported the UPA, the task is far from over, and those who were with the NDA, the challenge is even bigger now.

So now lets see what the youth can do for the country.

38 thoughts on “After the elections…

  1. Good post. Lets hope people stay ‘awake’ but I doubt it. Even the voting percentages show it and lots of people still did not vote.

    No doubt UPA should be congratulated. I like the idea of Rahul Gandhi starting a blog. I believe all political parties should maintain their online campaigns.

    P.S. Do visit http://strat.in in case you have time 🙂

  2. i like the NDA but not the BJP – and am glad that the Congress has got sucha large mandate.

    But, i would buy all your points. We, the citizens, need to be more aware and watchful and ensure that the Government delivers to all sections of the society.
    i would like to see MP’s interact more with society – beyond the virtual world

    I would also add a bit to your wish list – and this is for the BJP :
    a) move back to the right of centre mode. It is possible to occupy that space with ultra nationalism tinged with religion
    b) kick out hate mongers
    c) reach out to all sections of society
    d) put an economic think tank in place – don’t vascillate between extreme swadeshi and total disinvestment. Take a stand that you believe in, not one that is convinient.
    e) bring in the young – there is a problem if Gen Next is in its mid 50’s.
    f) cut the chord with the RSS.
    g) provide the alternative that is viable. It’s not too difficult. Vajpayee did it.

  3. Real idiotic talk… introspect man… thats what is needed… if it was the NDA that had won then you would certainly not thought of these vigil groups… and look who is talking about stopping politics on caste and religion… The people of India has rejected the divisive politics… wake up… Lets build an united and futuristic India…

    • It’s unfortunate that you choose to insult the sensibillity and question the intentions of a person you scarcely know.

      Wish you good luck in building the India you speak of. You can try sitting and watching things happen, I’ll not be too comfortable doing that, so will fool around a lil bit more.

      If we reach the goal, my way or yours, the job’s done.

  4. A good post, highlights things we need to focus on in the next 5 years. If a pink chaddi campaign (with a lot of assistance from media + stupidity from those in question) can generate buzz, I am sure attention can be drawn towards govt. failures as well. And for that, BJP/NDA supporters have to be (and am sure will be) at the forefront, and I doubt if Cong. supporters will give Govt. a free pass as they are free of most of their chains unlike ’04.

    I like the points that Harini Calamur has added to yours, and a couple of them stand out because they are difficult to implement.

    There is a irrational and illogical hatred for the “first family”, with some valid reasons of course. For all their flaws and mistakes, they lost two of their own under tragic circumstances (also due to wrong policies). If anything, they are not traitors or anti-nationals, and certainly not taking their orders from the Vatican, as a big section of the RSS tribe wants to project them as – covertly and overtly.

    There is a section of BJP/RSS supporters who oppose dynasty on principle (fair enough), and a section that justifies outrageous acts of violence – add to that the usual din raised on “Raul vinci” (by even the most astute commentators), conversions, muslim/christian hate, victimization, appeasement and destruction of hinduism. This scares many of those disillusioned with the Congress. These voices are not a majority, but they are the ones who drown out the sensible voices – who may be disgusted by it, some ignoring it, and some of us thinking, “let me get that dose of development, I can always put that monster back in its cage”. curious.

    The Idea of India is inclusive, pluralistic, for which some are naive enough to tolerate disastrous moves (giving Congress governments a free run despite serious blunders) This view is idealistic, almost unreal but that’s what we grew up with, saw on TV and heard on radio and read in newspapers (thanks to the “pseudo-secular” liberal media). Our history is surely peppered with incidents of hatred between communities and school texts (due to the “left wing historians”) decided to project mostly how we happily coexisted until the Brits came in. Yes, we all want to know the truth, but I get no pleasure in learning my great-great-grandfather was an axe murderer.

    Renouncing hate…can be liberating and it is possibly among the first things some will have to do. But what are the chances?

    That said, my position on INC and BJP on these posters.
    http://www.twitpic.com/3an0b
    http://www.twitpic.com/3fqab

    I hope we can band together and get from the Govt. what we deserve – to quote you “as ‘youth’, as ‘taxpayers’, as ‘citizens’, as ‘IT professionals’, a phone/internet users, flyers, retail buyers – and make demands, instead of the caste and religion based identities to make demands”.

    Thanks

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  6. @wanderer08:
    your reply to Munde is awesome 🙂

    And I agree with your blog points…. Hope that NDA/BJP is able to provide a much better “option” for the voters in 2014

  7. Hi Ankur,

    Interesting thoughts, well said about the fact that we need to be like demanding customers. I think one of the keys in this election was the fact that people have understood the INC is the party for future, Delhi is one of the most politically aware places and they gave a mandate in favor of congress, It s also evident that the state CMs have been rewarded for development. I have been in Patna and seen what Nitish Kumar’s gov has done and thus I am not surprised. And trust me very few people neutral people who follow politics are surprised. If we break the election in regions and phases its clear why who has won from where. I am not convinced that a BJP worker would have talked about introspection had BJP won 250 seats alone, though I might be wrong as well. I think NDA has got it all wrong, they should be a responsible opposition to start with, then work on states, regions individually. Its very evident that development is a bigger issue than Manmohan is a puppet PM. They need to zero down on pockets and start doing ground work, Even I believe If Rahul Gandhi writes a blog it will be great for us and so will be i guess if Narendra Modi and co.

    I would love to read jaitley, Sibal, Swaraj,Sheila Dixit etc.

    Hope you doing good, keep writing

  8. Nice post bro.. i have been reading your posts quite regularly and i really appreciate the perspectives you provide.

    – Sai (hope you still remember ;))

  9. Munde is right wanderer08, you wouldnt have created this vigil group had NDA won.

    You think your intentions are nice… but in the post you have not missed the opportunity to take a jibe at congress – “Columbian GF”, secular PMO, etc. In fact you have ridicules Rahul more than 2-3 places in this single post and have not spared other young leaders for their facebook accounts!

    You idea is noble and you are correct that we should be keep an eye on the gov… but it should be irrespective of which party forms it! Rise above petty issues and you would understand what i am talking about.

    I could also make fun of several BJP leaders here… for their stupid non-issues… but I’d let them do their own introspection. I just hope that they get things right the next time so that we – as a nation – move towards a bi-polar party system. But, BJP is still not that strong enuf. They need to understand what masses want… putting up blogs and talking about swiss money in farmer rallies would not work!

    • Mr. Malaviya,

      If you’d seen the post-election-plan presentation that I’d shared with the BJP IT Cell here, well before the results had come out, you wouldn’t possibly say the same.

      It’s surprising that ‘not sparing them’ when I just say that we’d hope to have a more regular interface with the politicians beyond their personal social network accounts. And well, my critique of those in power has only started. If i am against them, I have my reasons, and the reasons won’t cease to exist if they’re in power today. I have no qualms in saying that I have serious doubts on both their capabilities and intentions. If I’m proven wrong, trust me, I’ll be as happy as you.

      Thanks for the call from high above for me to rise from petty issues, unfortunately, I don’t feel I’m lost in them. Besides your own interpretation, I wonder what made you so convinced about my ‘intentions’.

      And well, you’re free to make all the fun and critique the bjp leaders for their statements, just be sure to pick up original statements to use. When I question the secular credentials of the PMO, that’s a serious issue that even a UPA supporter must think about.

      Sure welcome your ideas if you’re adequately clear on what ‘would’ work in Indian Polity. Happy to admit that NDA got it all wrong this time. They lost all the games – politically and otherwise.

  10. You know what I am perhaps in minority but I knew BJP would be defeated. I knew it as certainty. I wanted Congress out, but I knew it won’t happen. You see security, corruption, economy were NOT the agenda this time.

    My prime pet peeve is with the Congress choice of PM and President. Single-handedly, it reduced India’s top two jobs to puppets. I hate this indignity country ahs been saddled with. I would much prefer Sonia Gandhi be an overt leader with or without her foreign origins notwithstanding. Much as I admire the way she has formed her Indian individuality (it has taken personal sacrifices), but I only have contempt for her policies/political efficiency (if there is anything called that). Both she and her son have no political vision. And more than that, Congress is pseudo-secular.

    But yet I am glad, regional parties are out, they came into being in the first place because Congress didnt live to regional expectations. I am glad there would less scramble/(read circus) for power.

    • Poonam,

      I think we should accept the reality that we live in a world of remote controls. Even, Mr. Bajpai was remotely controlled by RSS when he was prime minister. Mr. Advani always has to keep an eye on what RSS… he has learned it again that from Jinnah controversy mistake!

      Take a heart in the fact that we at least know who Sonia is. But, I am really not sure what RSS wants or who actually controls it!

    • Being remote ‘controlled’ and taking supporters along are different.

      Even if I agree that the groundings of RSS are flawed, are you really confident about the intents and vision of Soniaji? (personally I respect her for what she is, just have a lot of political differences with her). Though it would be a careless ignorance to forget that RSS is an organization with a few lakh people, working largely on cadre discipline(with an ideology you might disagree with), while Sonia is one person, in the position because she got married to someone with a certain surname.

    • I did not understand this part from your response: “Being remote ‘controlled’ and taking supporters along are different”

      could you kindly elaborate?

    • Dear Malaviya,

      No one here condones riots. One is only irritated when so called secular elements harp about Gujarat not bringing up attrocities elsewhere.

      Being a lady, I should know how it feels to be treated like the ones who were mistreated by Ram Sainiks…
      But it’s amazing that you are blaming the BJP govt. for this…

      Lets see if u remember Dec 31 2007…Front page of TOI & all other dailies on Jan 1 2008…an Indian couple from the US, in Mumbai to spend their 1st new year after marriage…
      20 Hooligans attacked them outside the Marriott…and absolutely no one came to their rescue…

      So do we deduce that the Congress failed to protect the dignity of the couple?

      How to treat women is a thing that should be taught at home… you can’t blame a specific govt. for such incidents…

      All said and done, I just wana say that one shouldn’t be painted as communal only due to his leanings towards the Right.

    • This is what we always do – dig up one example which the other party might have done.

      I remember the incident out Marriott… and in case Congress tried to justify it by finding “root cause” or the by saying the girl was not “dressed” as per XYZ culture and hence the attacked happened… I’d definitely hit back at congress but i genuinely dont think anyone from Cong gov responded that way. Let me know if I am wrong…

      Its not the incident but the support/justification of the same by BJP leaders infuriates me… after Mangalore pub incident… BJP Home minister wanted to rein in Media instead of reining in hooligans!!! He even called all those incidents as very minor incidents and media was unnecessarily creating issue out of nothing… as per his logic… no one has died… so why such a ruckus!!!

      He may be right… only few girls were beaten up… which anyways happens inside many indian families… big deal!

    • You can’t take the credit away from the Gandhi Family for redeeming the congress which looked decimated under Sitaram Kesari. From there, to where it is today, has been quite a journey.. and it wasn’t possible without political vision. Whether they are likely to lead the country with a fast paced growth, remains to be seen now. And well, grudgingly or otherwise, we have no option but to see them take their chance.

  11. I have never voted for the Congress Party but Iam quite happy about the developments.Firstly ,the Communists who enjoyed all power without any resposibility and blackmailed Manmohan Sing is out .Shamelessly they were planning to make a deal with the Congress incase the ruling party fell short of majority.Atleast for some time you don’t have to see the faces of Yachoorys,Karats and Rajas on the television all the time.
    Secondly ,with all the hype around Rahul and Sonia we may be lucky enough to see the HRD ministry start working.Arjun Singh had completely paralised the working of his ministry. Imagine a country with almost half the population young has a minister to decide their future who is too old to walk around! One can forget about his ability to think( May be in Congress Party you don’t have to).Many of us thought that Sam Pitroda would leave the country once again out of frustration.Hope Manmohan will now listen to the man who brought telecom revolution and is waiting to bring about a technological revolution by changing the archaic education system.
    Finally, if BJP replaces Advani with Muralimanohar Joshi it would be like making Arjun Sing PM in place of Manmohan Sing!

  12. Dear wanderer08,

    I am not really sure who you are and what you shared with BJP IT cell. I just stumbled onto your blog thru twitter yesterday.

    I wouldnt answer to any of the points you have mentioned. But, yes… I have been observing that BJP has got a real nice online support and which is pretty vocal and blind supporter of its propaganda.

    I think its high time, moderate Hindus like me, who do not believe in Hate politics of BJP should also become vocal and state what they believe in.

    • Ah, how we crave to hear. The loud voice of a moderate Hindu. Wish we could elicit the same from moderate people of other religions too.

      BJP, for all you care, is only a numerically weak opposition in national politics for the next five years. They may stage a walk out or two, but UPA has a majority big enough to not let anything hamper its work. Lets see what that wins us as citizens.

      In your hatred of the hate politics, I hope you don’t end up losing sight of objectivity.

      Since the choice is made, I don’t feel a need to defend BJP anymore. Attack as much as you feel fair, but make demands on the UPA too, so my right to the resources of the nation, is not decided by what religion I’m born into.

      And yes, about the online supporters – there’s everybody from the extreme view.. to a slight tilt. The full spectrum on one side of the scale. The extremes, though few in number, shout the loudest, so I don’t entirely blame you for getting that impression. Getting clarity on that, is a challenge – for me while in favor, and for you while being against it.

      Sad part is, people label every slightly tilted guy also as the extreme and refuse to engage, and that hampers progress.

  13. I am not a hardcore congress supporter and agree with you on the point that we should keep a vigil and ensure that UPA does not get drunk with their success.

    My response to your post was about the negativity or the biased nature of writing. Even you should not be “losing sight of objectivity” in your love for BJP! 🙂

    The moderates of other religions did not speak on time and we know the result. I feel, we having the advantage of hindsight, should speak up before our beloved Gods are completely hijacked by “Jehadis”. Ram is already being being misused to attack girls in south and the self proclaimed guardians of hindu culture (VHP/RSS/BJRNG DAL) do not ever stop telling us on how “we” should live “our” lives – mostly as per “what” they deem is “correct”!

    • Rohit,

      Now that we’ve come to the common ground of respecting each other’s sensibility,

      I’ve got a long family background in RSS, though I’ve been a perpetual rebel, refusing to accept the Togadias and Ashok Singhals (he was prominent once, when i was growing up), as my representatives. They didn’t talk of the hindutva I believed in. Eventually, I grew up to become an atheist.

      The inane activities of some guys in the name of Bajrang Dal et al, (it was once an identity issue for Shiv Sena – it seemed to me) draw a LOT more attention than the tons of unnoticed activities by the volunteers (called swayamsevaks in the terminology). Like other cases, the voice of the moderates is drowned out by the ones who can shout the loudest, and of course… once I bend right-wards.. people will jump at equating me with the guys who beat up girls in Mangalore.

      So well, all those who support the Right, may not be all that the Right supports. In a pluralistic system, with an organization as huge as the RSS or the others, the negatives of each element easily gets associated with the identity of the right.

      For good or for bad, the congress doesn’t have the millions of tentacles and associated organizations (good and bad).. so it’s not defamed by the inane acts of some of its members.

      Yes, there’s dilemma in the BJP with dissociating itself with all these unruly elements and that eventually has to happen, if the party has to redeem its own identity and political image.

      I don’t defend all that’s on the Right, but I’m saddened that in opposing this, people end up being blind to all that’s being said and done in the name of secularism.

  14. Malaviya,

    I agree with Ankur when he says that all “Right Leaning” guys are painted with the same brush and called “Communal”.

    What irritates me is why people don’t object when a BSP/Congress are vocal about they being For Minorities? Shouldn’t it be a given in a democracy that a party should be for all people? Why not start your speech with what you have achieved rather than stating that you are Pro so and so?

    I don’t see any problem with the BJP being a Pro Hindu party… atleast it doesn’t believe in “appeasement” ! All other parties resort to cheap tactics for votes but easily forget their vote bank! Look at what Mayawati has to say…she is very vocal about Muslims being her reason for losing out…Where are her credentials now? A Pro dalit, pro poor and Pro Minority Leader??

    While we are still on the same issue, I would like to ask every “thinking” minority person to answer a single Q…In about 5 decades of a Secular Congress Rule…have they witnessed any progress in their socio-economic status? Their education levels? Better living conditions? If the Cong is really Pro Minorities…shouldn’t it focus on minority development rather than mere populist speeches and measures?

    Just one more point, I think there is a wide-spread misconception (largely media created) that NDA has lost due to it’s ideology. I dis-agree here. There are various factors that have led to this defeat and Ideology isn’t one.

    • Dear AlltalkAndNoAction,

      My friend, I do not stand for Mayavati and Hate everything about her more than maybe you and wanderer08 combined.

      Also, I end up supporting congress only as a result of my intense belief that BJP ideology is divisive and harmful for the country.

      It is very interesting to always note that congress is called to be playing “vote bank” politics and NOT BJP when it keeps playing to its vote banks – Hindus – the biggest vote bank in the world! Entire Ram Mandir gimmick was about vote bank politics. Why couldnt Mr. Advani take up a non Hindu cause or maybe a Rathyatra to root out corruption!

      Talking about Ram Mandir, using VHP/RSS theory, lets say there was a Mandir before Babar build that mosque. For 400 years the mosque stood there, now nothing stands there and maybe in future someone would build a grand Mandir there. Tell me my friends, how any/each of these events affect our life? Or for that matter of 99% Indian’s life. The only ones getting affected are 0.8% whose family members died in the riots and 0.2% of BJP leaders and their associates whose fortunes changed overnight. No matter who started or ended Gujarat riots, no matter how much we research on whether Modi is innocent or not… we all know who reaped the most benefit post riots.

      Got the point? BJP’s agenda of Hindu upheaval is a farce and works only for the advantage of 0.2%.

      Burning of churches, killing of missionaries, girls being dragged from pubs – where would they stop?

      More than BJP, I really get amazed to see educated people like you actually support them and their actions!

      India is amazing!

    • Rohit, while I don’t support all that’s done in the name of Hindutva, I’ll only want to question the hypocrisy that goes into labeling one party as communal while the other has been doing that forever now. Leave BJP alone in it’s misery, but make sure the UPA doesn’t bend over backwards to appease.

      If you’ve gone back a little into the history, the very reason BJP was created as a party, was to protect the rights of Hindus, a chunk of whom felt they were been taken for granted, at the hands of the Congress, who, starting with the noble idea of keeping the muslims comfortable in the partitioned India, continued bending before the extreme voices in the religion, ending up in the continued special but out of mainstream state of average Muslims – which, as Mukta points out, hasn’t gained much in all these years of congress rule – except subsidies for religious trips, unquestioned protection to their age old fundamentalist education system, an unequal civil code, and an ever strengthening feeling of insecurity from the communal forces – which in turn brought unrest to the majority community too.

      And about the temple and all, it’s an amusing reasoning you present Rohit. If it was only important to the 0.2% people, all these things would be politically non issues in a democratic structure. You and I have been educated and grown up in cosmopolitan urban atmospheres to care little about what’s called religion. But religion continues to evoke strong passions for a LOT of people, a description of which, I’ll leave for another situation.

      And with the padma shree awardee Teestaji’s stories and the perpetual villianization of Modi by our secular media, even before a court verdict is out.. I’m not sure you’re quite accurate in terms of who gained out of it the most. Anyway, once again, no exonerating anyone. Amidst the world of lies, from this side and that, we can only hope for justice to prevail.

      And as for what I support, the official statement from the BJP, (even if it’s a pretense) has been, ‘equal rights to all, appeasement to none’. We’re not as bigoted, as you might find easy to assume.

      And about burning churches, missionaries, pub incidents… are all factions and inane groups that the political party must disown.. but you can only go so far – disowning them.. you can’t govern their actions.

      And while you’re smart enough to observe the intents here, you’re so comfortably blind to the ‘pseudo secularism’ a term that we’re most laughed for.

  15. About RSS: Being born and brought up in Nagpur, I have seen RSS from real close quarters. We always kept getting invitations – “Arre Malaviyaji, aap jaise logon ko Hinduon ki sabha main shamil hona chahiye”. After all these year I still have no idea what they stand for, what they do – apart from talking about ideology – who they help, where they get money to survive – why they dont contest elections – list is endless.

    Talking about lakhs of cadres… why has BJP won only once from Nagpur in last 61 years that too when congress candidate defected to BJP? If they really have support, isnt democracy the best way to show it?

    About Sonia: About she alone controlling the remote/power… doesnt Obama alone control it? Doesnt BJP support presidential kind of system? Just because the other camp is more striong, we should crib?

    About her intentions: NO, I do not about it any more than i know about 99% persons in this world. But I can safely assume she must be the least corrupt of all the leaders that we have. She definitely has not lead any rath yatras that resulted in riots.

    About Surname: Yes she had the advantage – Why deny that? But that also gave her the 20 yrs of perspective/experience of inner workings of congress/politics/gov/etc when she lived with Indira/Sanjay/Rajeev. She maybe silently sitting on the dinning table every night when Indira Gandhi decided about her political moves. She has seen how arrogant power could become at the time of emergency – she was also the one who picked up Indira Gandhi and took her to hospital in her lap when Indira was assassinated – you can bet she got the best experience because of her surname – she has seen it all.

    Incidentally, Varun and Maneka also have the same surname… did you miss the kind of venom they spewed this time? Oh I forgot, the CD was forged… right. And the press conference of Maneka were biasedly reported in English Media (pub intended).

    I think its not the Name but the company you hang out with matters. You do/say/act/learn from what you see around you.

    by the way, leader who was planning to give decisive government, when is he going to decide if he would be the leader of opposition of not? Any more change of hearts? When would he stand up and take the responsibility of the defeat? When would he have the courage to face the press? Iron Man? eh….

    • Rohit, I don’t mean to offend, but well, on a nasty note, (couldn’t resist it), Having been in bombay for the past 6 years, I’ve seen Bollywood from really close quarters.. I always keep crossing some TV stars or Film guys.. taking a shoot or two too!

      If you don’t have an idea, you can’t be blamed for ignorance, because they’re terrible at handling their media, and the ones who do seem to be the vociferous talkers, are ones who add a lot of ‘personal touch’ to it.

      And well, as far as democracy goes, India is mockery in the name of democracy, so I’ll choose not to discuss that right now.

      About Sonia : My point was only to point out the difference between remote control and taking supporters along. If you notice, I’ve given due respect and tribute to her for establishing unquestioned hierarchy in Congress. It’s not easy in political circles, and it definitely speaks a lot about the lessons learnt from her mother in law over dinner tables.

      Corruption and Rathyatra? Are you mixing things up? Talk Quattrochi versus _____(please fill with the biggest example of corruption from NDA that you have). Or talk ‘First right to Muslims / Shahbano/ Haj Subsidy/ Temple Taxation’ versus ‘Rathyatra’.

      The other gandhis.. well didn’t use their chances well enough.. and are reduced to unimportance, till there was a furore, coz the media found something to bash. And don’t assume I’ll defend everything. I’d rather question everything, but continue being engaged, rather than dismiss it all as humbug and look away, as most of my young friend do these days.

      Well, I can’t say about Advani, but India shall sure have a great future, the day, individuals like YOU and I started calling a spade a spade, and seeing truth as it is.

      I see you as a wise man, I’d suggest you make sharper attacks on stronger grounds and we’ll have something worthwhile coming out of it.

      It’s personal, and not so, at the same time! Life rocks.

  16. Man this is being dragged too long…

    I would state what I started with – having vigil groups to make sure they deliver their promises is a good idea. I am not turning blind eye to overtures made by congress to appease Muslims. but look at the choices that you have:

    1. Appeasements via subsidies, etc. History of corruption.
    2. Rathyatras that result into riots – killing scores of people.

    I definitely cannot choose actions that result into killings of people. Life is way more important than anything else including money and God.

    I rest my case.

    Life rocks… Bangalore successfully dared the devils!

    • If you’d said that to start with, we’d not have this debate :).

      So now we agree upon what needs to be cleansed where… so the next steps can be planned accordingly.. 🙂

      My next post is likely to be on Hindutva Usurped… Do pour in any thoughts that you have.

  17. Interesting discussion. I am generally not affiliated to any group for the long term. I pick my candidate/party based on the issues, problems, and yes personalities at that specific time and place. I’ll do this after considering who brings what to the table, and who can offer what to the country. Once I’m decided, I do what I can to help them win. However, if and when my guy/party wins, I’m not their friend anymore. I want to watch them and see if they deliver what they promised, and whether they succumb to the corruption of power. Therefore, I am all for wanderer08’s ideas of checks and balances, organization, and demands of accountability. We should definitely do this for any body who comes to power, whether we were for them or against them before the votes were cast. All too often, there is the motivation to do this for opposition parties, not for our own parties. Why not?

    Having put those general ideas down, here is my take on this election outcome. India is obviously very important to all of us, but it has now also been an increasingly important player on the global stage for a while. Who do we want to be our face to the world? LK Advani, who launched the Rath Yatra and was a direct cause of the butchering of thousands of innocent people, on both sides of the argument? Narendra Modi, who did the seemingly impossible task of outdoing Advani? Some nutcase like Mayawati? Lalu perhaps? From my school days, I remember an India where one was not defined by their religion, where one’s name did not cause immediate jumps to conclusions in the minds of others. This India was taken away from me by the likes of Advani/Thackeray/Singhal et al. But my loss fades in comparison to those who lost lives, friends and family members. It would be bad enough if the perpetrators believed the vitriol they dished out that caused this. But to know that it was nothing but a vote-gathering stunt makes it even more criminal. Why are these people fighting elections instead of being in jail? I know this will rouse passions on the other side of the “divide”, so be it. Just because everybody chooses to ignore a crime does not render the criminal innocent.

    As for Congress/Sonia/Rahul: I’d give them a chance. I think it’s ridiculous that we won’t let a perfectly capable person be PM because she was born in Italy. To those who claim she is where she is only because she married a Gandhi, I ask this: where is Maneka? She married a Gandhi too, and is an Indian to boot. Whatever her reasons for not being the leader of the Congress Party, don’t give me the nonsensical reasons of inheriting position by marriage alone. You take away too much from the hard work of Sonia, and look naive in the process. Granted, the Congress has not been ideal, but who’s got a better solution? As for me, I’ll never forgive the BJP for what they did. Remember, they were nothing till the communal flare-up. That made them, that defines them to this day. Without that, they would not be any more than a small, relatively unknown group of also-rans. You might say the last great thing Congress did was in 1947. But they also started us on the path of economic liberation, which has resulted in our becoming a major player in the world.

    Regards,
    h.a.!

    PS. wanderer08, you must be omnisceint. You deduced Mr. Malaviya’s first name from his last name and posts alone. Wow. 🙂

    • Dear Hakim,

      First, responding to your P.S. bit 🙂 – As the author, I have rohit’s email id and link visible to me, though by now I’ve been to and read his blogs too! Hence, the name. Internet does allow you to know a lot more than you otherwise would.

      Thanks for writing in. It’s not often that one objectively reasons for himself, without diregarding the other person’s sensibility.

      I respect your views and choice, with the information and activism reaching wider, I believe the pressures on the government to perform, are on an all time high.

      So lets hope for the best!

    • Hakim,

      Not much to add – Just that..Manmohan Singh was in the right place at the right time.

      If you read Economics & a lil bit of history… COngress’s economic policies were senseless… a socialist mindset which dragged Indian economy down…With a lil Forex left to pay for our import bills in 1991… we had been given an ultimatum by IMF & WB to either open up our mkts our perish…So I don’t think one needs to be a rocket Scientist to do the right thing and “Open the gates of liberalisation”….

      Baaki…it has been a good discussion here… 🙂

  18. Dear Malaviya,

    When discussing Hindutva..it’s better to get some basic facts right…Ram Sena isn’t a part of the BJP…Infact they have stood against the BJP in elections…

    Also, no Hindutva supporter is communal…It’s just a demand for self respect…

    We don’t believe in killing, all we ask is I respect you and You do the same…

    It’s sad that you stand up for all riot victims…without giving any thought to lakhs of Kahsmiri Pandits who are living as refugees in India…

    Hindutva just means…standing up for oneself…atleast that is how I see it…

    To be peace loving is different from having no respect for one’s religion…That is what Hindutva is all about…

    Also, had Hindutva stood for anything else – like coercion or violence…we would have supported conversions…

    Do you ever find any hindu converting others in exchange of monetary help? Handing over a copy of the Gita before offering someone Food?

    Lets not brush everyone as violent and communal just becuase they stand up for themselves…

    • Dear alltalkandnoaction,

      About Shree Ram Sene… I got the facts right… I am aware that they fought elections but NOT necessarily ONLY against BJP.

      I am not sure about the real reason behind them fighting elections… but I can surely link the complete inaction by BJP to contain their actions. Two girls were attacked in Bangalore… one close to the place where I live… for wearing Jeans… it happened in one of the safer locations in Bangalore… in broad day time… what was BJP gov response… nothing… The Home Minister MR. Acharya… everytime asked about safety of women… preaches about root causes behind such actions and girls should follow Indian culture. What Crap! Were the guys who attached wearing Dhotis?

      Why have all these issues… including the recent attacks on churches started in last one year… just when BJP has come to power? Werent girls wearing jeans in JD(S) or congress rule? I may not have all the facts but I can do the simple math.

      About the plight of Kashmiri pundits… I stand by them as well… but NOT to support riot victims because of them is irrational. These two are seperate issues… any injustice is injustice… whether against Hindus or Muslims… please do not mix issues… Just because X number of Hindus were displaced from Kashmir does not give any right to Hindus to displace X number of Muslims from any other state. This linking to complete issues is nonsensical. I would support BJP with my heart if someone takes a RathYatra to Kashmir to give justice to Kashmiri Pundits.

      Conversion is a bigger topic to be contained within few words… maybe next time… meanwhile… learn to see issues only in their perspective…

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